Umm... [ She turns her eyes upward for a second, thinking. ] I guess it was when I first started hanging out with the goths at the mall, a couple years ago? This older girl, Nancy, taught me how to do it. She taught me a lot of this occult stuff, actually. But she takes it way more seriously than me. Nowadays she's huge into crystals and stuff, and like... even I know those are a scam.